LD - Good morning, Ashley. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me. Please know all of your responses will be kept confidential.
AJ - Good morning to you, Lisa. I appreciate that (laughs).
LD - How would you describe the culture of your current organization?
AJ - That’s a great question, Lisa. It's young, energetic, has potential. There are places where people could step up – a few things that are missing.
LD – What do you see missing?
AJ – Communication, organization, leadership,
training, the human element.LD – What do you mean by the human element?
AJ – I used to work for larger companies and always felt
like a number, wanted to work for startup so I would feel like Ashley
there.
LD – I hear you saying that you still do not feel
like Ashley in this organization. In
what way or ways do you feel like you can't be yourself?
AJ – Not listening to me when I have a problem and
not helping me, assuming that I know things I don’t know. My manager does not
support me in my day-to-day operations and makes me do all administrative
duties. I’m a salesperson. I’d like to
know why I’m responsible for operations and managerial reporting - things she
should be doing.
LD – I’m gathering that you don’t feel comfortable
discussing these issues with your manager is that correct?
AJ – Of course not.
I feel like the culture is like a sorority.
LD – If you did approach your manager, what do think
would happen?
AJ – Depends on her mood. Even on a good day and she accepted my criticism
I don’t think anything would change. I
think it would put a target on my back.
LD - Do you feel adequately involved in the
organization (Dennison and Mishra)?
AJ – No.
LD - Would more involvement and participation change
the culture and improve the effectiveness of the organization (Denison &
Mishra)?
AJ – Of course!
I would feel like I had a voice.
Instead I feel as though I’m in a dictatorship.
LD - You mentioned a sorority. Do you think of this as
subcultures in your current organization (Denison & Mishra)?
AJ – Yes, because it’s not the full culture of the
organization. There are outsiders and
then there are insiders. I think the
organization as a whole is trying to have a great culture but because of lack
of communication it is failing.
LD - I’m going to read you five different dimensions
that briefly describe the Hofstede Model.
They are Power Distance, Weak and Strong UncertaintyAvoidance, Collectivisim and Individualism, Femininity and
Masculinity and Short-Term Orientation and Long Term Orientation.
According to Hofstede, these tables or dimensions exist with in countries
and cultures (Hoffstede, 2009). After I finish reading
them to you, please, let me know where you think your organization’s culture
lands and why. LD - Where do you see your organization on the Power Distance table?
AJ - Large power distance at GC. Middle management
is on a power trip.
LD - How about avoidance?AJ - More strong than weak. From middle management up, it seems to be weak avoidance, but from where I am I see it as a strong avoidance. There appears to be a transition from strong to weak avoidance as you go up.
LD -
Individualism and collectivism?
AJ - I see us as both especially on a power level.
Others are classified as in-groups or out-groups. Task prevails over relationship. Others are
classified as individuals, opinions and votes are predetermined by in-groups or
the sorority.
LD - Feminine
and masculine?
AJ – More are on the masculine side – not a
nurturing environment, at least not in my role.
I do think there is more nurturing and collaboration in higher
positions. Once you hit a certain level
in the organization I think a more feminine attitude is replaced
Short and long term oriented?
AJ – Short term we don’t have any problem solving
outside of the people we trust but management is not involved in those
discussions. There is no feeling of belonging, focus is on short-term profits. There
is a clear division between lower level employees and management. I feel like a machine.
LD - If you
could change the culture of this organization what would you change?
AJ – How we communicate with each other, and ask
individuals is important to them. I
don’t know what’s important to my manager.
I would involve more people in decisions processes from day-to-day
operations to rate of pay. There would
be more personal conversations. A “how
are you?” would be nice. If I had a
company it would be very feminine. The
expectations would be modified. There
would be more of a level playing field, more transparency. The perks only go to upper management, while
those of us who are working harder seem to only get more work and more
berating. I feel that we are kept in the
dark, then when things out of our control or we weren’t aware of occur, we’re
held accountable for these things that we had no knowledge of and did not have
the opportunity to offer our input. I'd
make it more like Google, Twitter, Facebook and Genentech. I know people who
work at all of these companies and they all have very open, welcoming cultures –
I think this is why they’re successful.
LD – GC does try to replicate that environment, in
New York, do you agree?
AJ – If you interviewed someone in New York I think the
answers would be drastically different.
I feel like here I could be forgotten about.
LD – So what I hear you saying, is that being a
remote employee is damaging to the culture of the organization, is that true?
AJ- I think NY has the opportunity to have a better
culture but we seem to be “out of sight out of mind.” I don’t think upper management realizes that
we need interaction and support to thrive, grow and stay motivated. At least I don’t get that from my regional
manager.
LD – You manager spends a lot of time in New York, even
though she lives in CA, do you think this is an unfair advantage?
AJ – Only because I don’t feel like she shares her
experiences or what is going in while she’s there. I think the organization should drill down to
the salespeople and include them on what’s going on. I don’t think she communicate with us
effectively. It seems to be a need to
know culture that breeds paranoia and negatively affects my performance. If there was a positive outcome to her
constantly going to NY, I would feel differently, but I don’t understand what
she does while she is there.
LD - Ashley,
thank you so much for your time and your honesty. This is very helpful.
AJ - No problem. Are you going to send this to
Cristina (Cristina is a senior VP at the organization)?
LD - (Laughs) No, it's going to stay right here and
only be shared with my professor and my class.
AJ - Okay, well maybe if Cristina saw it, things
would change.
Conclusion:
I wasn't surprised by Ashley's
responses, but they did concern me.
There are overarching themes of lack of transparency, inequality, fear-based management, helplessness, sense of ambiguity and defeat and a big divide
created at the middle management level.
I don't experience this to the degree Ashley does, but I agree that it does exist
within the organization.
Interestingly, she used the term
"sorority" a couple of times.
What she sees is a bureaucratic subculture (Denison & Mishra,
1995). Subcultures exist in all
organizations (Denison & Misra, 1995) and exist in a belief system. However, Ashley sees the subcultures as
enemies of each other and thinks the cultural divide is deep. Thus, she does not feel comfortable sharing
her values or beliefs for fear of backlash.
What Ashley would like to see is the cultural trait of involvement as hypothesized
by Denision and Mishra (1995). She
thinks a high level of involvement and participation would motivate and encourage
her.1. Ashley wants someone to fix the fractures in the organizational networks, particularly at the mid-management level
2. She is too afraid to do it herself and does not feel that she has a direct line to the person she thinks could change the culture
3. Supports her belief that things are different at the top of the org chart; a fractured network does exist, and further supports evidence of structural holes in this organization.
I tried to stay as unbiased as possible during this
interview, but I do agree with a lot of what Ashley so openly shared with
me. This is a young company that is
experiencing growing pains, and I have hope that things will improve. The "sorority" is a group of
inexperienced individuals who were placed in positions of power out of
necessity. However, it is not necessarily
their responsibly to instinctively know what to do or how to manage. It is the people at the top, the ones Ashley
thinks will change things, who need to create a culture of involvement and
recognize the above mentioned themes and work to modify them.
Denison, D. R., & Mishra, A. K. (1995). Toward a
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Hofstede, G. (2009). Dimensionalizing cultures: The
Hofstede model in context. Online Readings in Psychology and Culture,12(8),
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Interesting interview, Lisa. One important part of organizational culture is to keep behavior consistent across the organization (Sorenson, 2009); however, for your company it does not look like this is the case, at least cross-nationally. Ashley gives some ideas on how she would change the culture of the organization. Would you recommend these same changes? Do you think companies with many remote employees have a tougher time transmitting their organizational culture? Do you think tacit knowledge has anything to do with this?
ReplyDeleteHi Courtney,
DeleteYou're correct there is very little consistency. Even more
so there is lack of shared knowledge, which I think creates the
inconsistency in the org. I think some of this unshared knowledge is
tacit, but the directives seem to come from collective ideas developed by middle management. To be fair, I think there is a an element of tacit knowledge and a responsibility on those who are unsatisfied with the current culture to make management aware of these concerns. However, as Ashley stated, the element of fear is greater than the need to express concern. Additionally, I think the middle managers would be very surprised to learn these things, so in that way, yes, tacit knowldge does play a big part.
Yes, I think the remote factor is reason for the culture breakdown. Interestingly, I thought Ashley would touch on that more. Personally, I see the remote employee as being a lager factor in issue of culture than she does. However, since the mid-managers do travel to the hub frequently and are involved in all top-level discussions, I think it is their respoinsibility to create a culture of involvement with remote staff.
I do agree with most of the changes Ashley outlined. However, I work very well in an autonomous culture. More shared knowledge and less power-tripping would be great, but inviting too much involvement could result in micro-management, which in my opinion, would be worse.
Lisa,
ReplyDeleteYou say that you don't experience the middle management divide as severely as Ashley does. Is this because you are at a higher level within the organization or is it due to the fact that you've learned how to navigate the divide a little better? Do you feel that the middle management kinks will work themselves out as the organization continues to grow, or could they potentially be a stumbling block that impedes growth?
Her comment about sending the interview to the SVP was intriguing...and you nailed the reasons why she most likely said those things. She sounds bright and ambitious. Is there concern that Ashley and others like her may leave the organization due to the middle management divide?
Thanks for a great post!
Hi Brenda,
DeleteThanks for the response and the great questions. I think the reasons I don't feel the severity of middle management's divide are:
- I am senior to Ashley, but that doesn't mean I have any authority. It only means I get left alone more. ;-) There seems to be a higher trust level in my position.
- I'm a bit (ahem) older than Ashley, so, like fine wine, I've mellowed some and am able to let things roll off my back more easily. Can age be a cultural trait?
- Not that I don't take this all seriously, I take it very seriously, in fact, and I don't think for a second that I could not be targeted by my boss. However, believe that I would go directly to the SVP if I felt like Ashley does. I've thought of alerting her after this conversation, and a few times before, but with my age/maturity, I've also learned to pick my battles. In one resepect this is my battle, as these growing concerns do affect my organization. On the other hand, no one has asked my opinion or asked that I go over mid-management's head. I don't want the reputation of being a busy-body or trouble-maker. Yes, I too, feel the fear that lurks within this company.
I do think the kinks will work themselves out. These mid-managers are inexperienced and the company is very young. That being said, they, and it, have great potential. There are a lot of amazing things going on here. I think Ashley realizes that, too. If she's planning on leaving, I'm not aware of it. She is a wonderful asset to the org,. and I will encourage her to voice her concerns if things get to a place where we'd lose her. If that were to happen, I would pick that as a battle I'd like to fight and step in, too.